A conversation with Terrence Metz, Managing Director of MG RUSH Facilitation Training and Coaching
How can a company successfully oversee their internal ideas? Itโs a fascinating question in the era of innovation. Terrence Metz, Managing Director of MG RUSH Facilitation Training and Coaching, is a good guy to ask this gnarly question because he once helped a major division of 3M create a method for managing ideas.
Terrence is a leader in facilitation training who consults, coaches, and trains businesses worldwide. Heโs taught over four hundred facilitation classes and three thousand students on five continents. His clients include Agilists, Scrum teams, program and project managers, and senior officers among numerous private and public companies and global corporations. He also writes a blog with articles on facilitation skills to help people lead faster, more productive meetings and workshops.
Terrence and I recently spoke and, since we share a passion for facilitation, I loved hearing his viewpoint. Read on for highlights from our conversation.

Defining Ideas
A division of 3M came to Terrenceโs organization when they discovered they didnโt have enough new product ideas and it was causing them to fall behind. Consequently, Terrence helped them build a โProduct Concept Managementโ process. In other words, they defined how to manage indefinite or unformed concepts or โfragments of ideas.โ
He discovered that part of the problem of managing ideas is in definitions. What exactly constitutes a valid idea to pursue? If the team doesnโt agree on what an โideaโ is, how can you vet them? As a group, they needed to have common language. They decided that โnotionsโ are ideas in a more embryonic state, while concepts are โthe conversion or confirmation of a fully articulated, qualified idea.โ
Terrence shared: โThe group came to say, โNo, you donโt have an idea if youโre taking a shower. You have a notion.โ You have something that could become an idea, but itโs certainly not an idea while youโre drying off. Itโs simply a notion.โ
โOur thesis,โ he explained, โwas that ideas/notions and concepts need to be managed differently. You may have problem descriptions floating out there, and they needed to be analyzed relative to potential solutions. Fragments of ideas simply needed to be managed to a different fashion than a completely solid idea.โ
โWe strongly urge an idea management process to never end. Even โbadโ ideas may yield value at some point in the futureโฆ We donโt kill any ideas.โ

When? Not If
As I do in all my interviews, I asked Terrence about wrong-headed things heโs seen in organizational innovation programs and he said: โThe thought that โIt canโt be done.โ From a future view, itโs not if, only when.โ He went on to share a story that illustrated his point: โI was working with research folks from Motorola when the first iPhone was rumored. But, they discounted the โrumorโ because their engineering group had looked at some of the touted features and had already determined that it could not be done.โ
โIf it can be imagined it can be built. You have to relax typical constraints; you have to relax time; you have to relax budget. Then go back and evaluate if itโs worthwhileโฆโ
For him, itโs important for companies to build solutions without any constraints: โIf it can be imagined it can be built. You have to relax typical constraints; you have to relax time; you have to relax budget. Then go back and evaluate if itโs worthwhile or what components do we have to remove, substitute, or replace to make it practical.โ

He also talked about the importance of focus in order to inspire a โcan doโ or โblue skyโ attitude: โIf you have the right people in the room, you can do anythingโif you can get them to focus on the same thing at the same time. The hardest thing to do with a group of smart people is to get them to focus.โ
โYou have to have such a well-established methodology so thereโs no time for their thoughts to drift.โ
This is where his experience as a facilitator comes in: โYou canโt get people to focus by telling them to focus, it doesnโt work. First, you need to remove and be alert for possible distractions. Second, you have to have a well-established methodology so thereโs no time for their thoughts to drift.โ
Innovation is a mindset
To Terrence, innovation is an attitude or mindset: โInnovation, much like Agile, should permeate every aspect of a business, especially those dependent on new sources of revenue. Innovation captures an attitude that ought to be pervasive within an organization, providing an ongoing commitment to newness.โ
โInnovation might be viewed as a set of values that signifies a belief in seeing beyond present conditionsโฆโ
He described how he sees innovation defined at different levels of a company: โAt the organizational level, it implies structural and cultural change. At the process level, it implies efficiency and effectiveness. At the product level, it implies new or changed technology, packaging, etc.โ
โIf we donโt aspire for whatโs new, weโre going to be somebody elseโs lunch.โ
Terrence also stresses that innovation relies on a commitment to change: โWe know our competitors are changing. My commitment [to change] is based on this idea that the greatest motivator in life is death, and if we donโt change we will die. To avoid death we need whatโs new. Weโve got to be in a constantly changing, evolving process. If we donโt aspire for whatโs new, weโre going to be somebody elseโs lunch.โ
โMy commitment [to change] is based on this idea that the greatest motivator in life is death, and if we donโt change we will die.โ
Ingredients of innovation
Terrence views the โVoice of the Marketโ as his innovation silver bullet. He doesnโt believe in only listening to the Voice of the Customer because he doesnโt think customers alone are the predictors of future needs.
Another important ingredient for innovation is people who โembrace diversity and stir up the pot.โ He looks for people who, โdonโt see obstacles, only opportunities. Those who have an attitude of embracing โnewnessโ are getting it both wrong and right. And since they persevere, they are getting it more right, and more frequently right, than others. Some say โfail fast.โ I prefer, โfail with a bowโ (i.e. fail with dignity).โ
We also talked about measuring innovation. For Terrence, that can vary: โTypically they include time and money. Edison measured his quantity of failures. 3M uses revenue from SKUs released in the past five years. I doubt there is a universal measurementโฆ Regardless of the appropriate measures for an organization or industry, the trend line may be more critical than the discrete performance of any given period.โ

Do we need agreement?
As a facilitator, Terrence often brings people together to work on, and (hopefully) agree upon, a plan for the future. But he doesnโt believe in getting everyone to simply agree: โAgreement is everybody thinking the same. Agreement would be as if we all play the same notes on a piano. Weโre not seeking agreement, thatโs boring. What weโre seeking is harmony, and thatโs where weโre able to play different instruments, weโre able to play different notes, but weโre able to pull together in the form of a composition that surpasses anything one individual can do.โ
โWhat weโre seeking is harmony, and thatโs where weโre able to play different instrumentsโฆ but weโre able to pull together in the form of a composition that surpasses anything one individual can do.โ
Instead of blanket agreement, Terrence looks for general consensus: โโฆfind something robust, strong, and clear enough that everybody in the room can get behind it and support it. It may not be anybodyโs favorite, but as a group, it becomes our favorite. Consensus also means youโre not going to lose any sleep over it. If you say one thing in this room, but you get home tonight and you toss and you turn, we really donโt have consensus.โ
And, if a group truly cannot come to a consensus or resolve a major argument, Terrence sees termination as an option. โWhen all fails, which can happen, what we need to do is terminate. We need to leave the room, but not with everything hanging in the aether. We need to document clearly the nature of the argument, the reasons for contrasting positions and we need to get some helpโฆโ

Facilitative leadership
According to Terrence: โFacilitative leadership is perhaps one of the most important skills in the next 50 years.โ With todayโs complex work environments, no one person can know all the answers. โWhy do we have so much wasted meeting time if we have smart subject matter experts? If they have the knowledge and they have the energy, then why is the meeting failing?โ
He went on: โWhy are we failing to come up with the right stuff? The answer is they donโt know howโฆThe old command-and-control is dead. If youโve got an answer, donโt have a meeting. If you need answers, if you need consensual solutions that entire groups can support and get behind, then what you need is not an โanswer man,โ you need a facilitative leader.โ
โIf you need consensual solutions that entire groups can support and get behind, then what you need isโฆa facilitative leader.โ
Of course, Terrence notes his bias toward facilitation since he trains people in it. However, even without official training, people need facilitation skills: โWhat are those skills? Those skills are not public speaking. Theyโre not skills of style; theyโre skills of substance. Itโs not knowing the answer, itโs knowing the question. Itโs a skill of being a good listener, not a good persuasive charismatic speaker.โ
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