A conversation with Solomon Masala, Co-Founder of Source Consulting Group

“Working with children gives me an opportunity to begin introducing the power of ‘I become who I practice being,’ so that as they’re wiring this neurology, there’s more awareness on, well who do I want to be? What’s the impact of who I am on a group experience? What’s the impact of who I am and how can I reflect on that?” – Solomon Masala

Solomon Masala is the co-founder of the consulting firm Source Consulting Group. He has over 25 years of experience in team-building and leadership development in almost every sector. Charismatic and full of energy, Solomon engages participants with a kinesthetically-oriented approach to facilitation.

In this episode of Control the Room, I had the pleasure of speaking with Solomon about mindfulness, how we show up for people, and the true heart of humanity. Listen in to find out how changing the way you sit in front of a screen can affect your ability to connect with other human beings.

Show Highlights

[1:55] How finding his soulmate made Solomon a better facilitator
[6:58] Becoming who you practice being
[15:55] The Spirit of Humanity
[28:40] Making experiences kinetic
[37:14] Bringing our best selves

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About the Guest

Solomon Masala, co-founder of Source Consulting Group, holds over 25 years of experience in team-building and leadership development. With a charismatic style and effusive energy, he engages participants in highly effective and authentic development. He ushers groups through the hard work of deepening and expanding excellence, utilizing cutting edge kinesthetic training, inspiring breakthrough and evolution.

About Voltage Control

Voltage Control is a facilitation agency that helps teams work better together with custom-designed meetings and workshops, both in-person and virtual. Our master facilitators offer trusted guidance and custom coaching to companies who want to transform ineffective meetings, reignite stalled projects, and cut through assumptions. Based in Austin, Voltage Control designs and leads public and private workshops that range from small meetings to large conference-style gatherings. 

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Douglas: Welcome to the Control The Room Podcast, a series devoted to the exploration of meeting culture and uncovering cures for the common meeting. Some meetings have tight control, and others are loose. To control the room means achieving outcomes while striking a balance between imposing and removing structure, asserting and distributing power, leaning in and leaning out, all in the service of having a truly magical meeting.

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Today, I’m with Solomon Masala, co-founder at Source Consulting Group, where he is lucky enough to have found a soulmate and life partner with whom he can create a business that serves people with zero toxic byproducts. He’s also the author of 1, 2, Let’s All Groove and Rhythm Play! Welcome to the show Solomon.

Solomon: Thank you! Douglas, it’s so great to be here with you again. Appreciate the patience that you had and the invitation, and always an honor to be able to dive into this amazing conversation with you. Thank you.

Douglas: It’s my pleasure. I’d love to hear a little bit about how you got your start in this amazing work that you do.

Solomon: Thank you. How I got my start? As you’ve said before, I don’t know anybody who went to school and said, “Hey I’m taking a master’s in facilitation.” And in the intro that you read there, the fact that I found a soulmate and I was lucky enough to do that work. I think my facilitation started in the sense that I had to learn a lot about myself, and who I was, and the impact I have, in having that sense of deep intimate relationship. That’s one of the best places to learn how to facilitate, because it always starts with me and my own self-reflection in the process of it. I got started in the self-reflective process there, as well as getting started in… I was shoved out into it, man. It was not something that I set out to do.

My background initially was education and I was afraid of adults. I was like, “What? I can’t get out there with adults and facilitate and do that kind of thing, I work with kids.” I was lucky enough to have some mentors out of the experiential learning element, an organization called On The Edge, Phil Bryson, and then amazing other mentors, Gruffie Clough, who was part of the Grove back in the day, and a gentlemen named Tom Leahy. These folks saw something in me and kept calling me out, like, “Hey, you going to do this? Or as we do this particular group, I want you to facilitate here.” I was a teacher, I did curriculum development for years and the Department of Education in Colorado said, “All right, now you got to go train people to do this.” I kept being put in these situations where I had to step out and learn, and fortunately I had incredible people to watch. That’s how I got started.

Douglas: When you think about those moments that punctuate your journey, what do you think that you’re the most proud of?

Solomon: What a great question. First of all, I think I’m the most proud of being willing to do it. There are definitely moments where 10 minutes, five minutes before the program, I would just think to myself, why am I doing this? It’s so easy to be a coder. I could just do my thing and not have to interact with people. That’s not a diss on coders at all, your work is really hard and… But that courage, I think I’m most proud that I kept putting myself out there and so grateful that I had mentors who kept helping me understand that facilitation wasn’t a game show.

That the sense of knowing myself, the sense of being able to self reflect, the sense of being able to bring vulnerability to the experience, was a huge part of how I helped a group move, how I would help a group through its process, and how I could serve the humans in front of me doing what they wanted to do. I think that’s probably the most pride that I have is finding that courage. But that came from support of other people, I can’t say that was just on me.

Douglas: I think the thing is that people can bring you… Can point that out to you. But the fact that you followed through on that and… Because it’s hard to fight that inner critic who would say, “No, this isn’t important work.” Thank you for doing that because the stuff you bring to the world is really important, and whenever I see a master facilitator that’s doing great stuff, I’m super grateful that they exist.

Solomon: Thank you. Likewise.

Douglas: It’s interesting, you were saying that you’re identified more as someone who works with children. So, making that shift to facilitating adults in businesses was a little strange at first, and now you’ve come full circle because you’re now facilitating children. It’s fascinating to me if I under- and I’d love to… We haven’t talked a ton, we’ve talked over email about this new role that you have. I find it very fascinating because it seems very, very necessary and important work. At the same time, as I hear, I’m unpacking this live, but the thing that crosses my mind is that you were teaching children, and then you began to facilitate adults and see problems and patterns, and now you’re teaching children to avoid those problems and patterns that you are facilitating around.

Solomon: Yes, that’s right. There are so many elements of group dynamics that I came across in working with adults that, to me…One of the things that I often say is, “I become who I practice being.” I didn’t make that up, but I think those are the words that I’ve put around it. And that, as I watch adults in group dynamics, it becomes so obvious. These are the patterns that they have, that I have as an adult, have grooved into my neurology so much that I almost become unaware that I’m doing something, and that’s what practice does. I get so good at something. I don’t have to think about it, but the truth is I can get good at anything, including something that’s as degenerative as it is generative. Like, I can get really good at bad habits.

Working with children gives me an opportunity to begin introducing the power of I become who I practice being, so that as they’re wiring this neurology, there’s more awareness on, well who do I want to be? What’s the impact of who I am on a group experience? What’s the impact of who I am and how can I reflect on that and give myself… Build that muscle of internal intervention, so that I can continue to be somebody who is the person I want to be and become more aware of the habits that might bring down group process. Now, that’s not to say that adults can’t learn, but it sometimes takes a little bit more because there’s been so much practice of this is who I am, and so much attachment and commitment to that, that it takes a little bit longer to make that change. Whereas in young people, as cliche as it sounds, there’s still moldability, and there’s still their own sense of moldability. I’m not trying to make them somebody else, I’m trying to reflect, “Hey, who do you want to be? You have the power and the ability to make those choices. Here’s an opportunity, let’s practice that.”

Douglas: Wow. It reminds me of that quote around the interior conditions of the intervener, it’s going to impact the effectiveness of the intervention. When you were talking about this notion of your internal intervention, that struck a chord with me. Because if we think about the energy we’re bringing into the room, it’s going to have a big impact.

Solomon: Huge. Absolutely. How much practice can I bring to becoming aware of what’s going on inside me? And how that’s impacting what’s going on externally? How I might respond rather than react? And how much practice I put into that sense of, what’s my body doing right now? What am I feeling? What am I sensing right now? That facilitation is so much not a head trip, it’s also a really embodied act, because then I’m aware of what I’m feeling, what I’m sensing, how that’s impacting what I’m about to say, or do. 

Practicing that, to me, is part of what helps me do those internal interventions to steer myself at least a little bit more clearer from reactivity, and helps me remember to take a deep breath in that moment and listen to what’s happening or feel or sense what’s happening and how I might be able to serve it instead of…I’m going to use the word manhandling, you know, strong arming somewhere rather than, what’s emerging right now? Whether this is a group of children or there’s a group of adults. What’s emerging right now that I could serve that would bring this experience to its highest potential? If I can’t feel or sense, if I haven’t practiced that internal intervention of pause, then oftentimes I won’t necessarily be as effective as I could.

Douglas: The pause piece is fascinating too. Especially as a facilitator because, how effective we are at allowing the duty or the intelligence of the room to emerge versus… As I was talking to Keith McCandless earlier, and he was talking about him, we should never import best practices, especially if we have as facili- I mean it’s bad enough when the expert in the room is telling everyone what to do, much less the facilitator. Right?

Solomon: Right. Totally. It’s like, “Yes, there’s a plan. Yes. There’s a quote-unquote agenda.” But really, my best service is what’s emerging right now that’s going to bring the highest outcome, the highest good to this particular group as an organism.

Douglas: It’s always funny to me when I have participants in a workshop that are so laser focused on the agenda and any deviations that are happening from it.

Solomon: Oh man.

Douglas: I get that’s a type of moderation where, if your perspective on running good meetings is about creating an agenda that’s just a list of topics and making sure we move on when we hit that time frame, then it can be very jarring. Whereas the stuff we do is quite different. Embracing the emergent phenomenon and finding the beauty that we never knew could have even… We couldn’t have anticipated it. We have to be fluid with the agenda and we still want to get through everything, but we have to have some fluidity there.

Solomon: But I think managing that tension that you described, of here’s the particular outcome, or here are the topics, and here’s the timeline for these various topics. I think there’s… How to manage the tension of this is the emergent phenomenon, this is what’s important to this group right here right now. We also have to end it in a half an hour, 45 minutes. That’s where again, I think that sense of, how do I practice literally breathing so I can soften my neurology, so I can relax my nervous system and listen to where is this going? How can I bring it back around? Or how can I say to the group we said, we needed to end in half an hour, but guess what? This is where we are. And this feels juicy, or this feels like it’s serving, or this feels like it’s that thing underneath the surface that hasn’t been talked about.

I don’t think we have people to get this done in half an hour, and I don’t want to rush this process. So, let’s pause for a moment so we can reframe and then move forward. If I’m looking at the clock and getting tighter and tighter in my nervous system, I’m going to push this thing. We’re trying to make something else happen that’s not what’s happening.

Douglas: We got to be cognizant of that. I want to come back to something that you were saying earlier about working with children and how some of those patterns can be… We can mold those a little bit earlier. It reminds me of a word that you brought up in one of our prior conversations, and that was condition. It was such a beautiful moment when you said that and I thought to myself, “Wow, that’s an amazing way to reframe something that could easily be seen as a flaw, as an inadequacy, as a problem.”

Solomon: Right.

Douglas: It’s not that anybody’s a bad person. It’s just that their conditioning has positioned them to, maybe have dysfunctional behavior or, do things that are not considered of others. And so, I wanted to bring that up in a moment of appreciation for you. Giving me that perspective, and maybe you could share a little bit of your… It’s been a year since we talked about that and so maybe you’ve got some new thinking especially, in this new climate of unrest, that’s in the country, it’s being fueled by various political endeavors, currently there’s a lot going on. And you know, microaggressions and how we think about our language and how we show up for people and support people is very top of mind for a lot more people and I think this concept that you shared with me around conditioning is something that could be unpacked a little more.

Solomon: I love that you framed it in that sense that it’s not about somebody having a flaw or a fault, because that’s truly a beautiful piece. And I’m one of those people that believes in the spirit of humanity. I truly do. I believe in the heart of humanity. I also, because I’ve had to work through it myself, had to work through things I’m conditioned to do. So, for instance, someone says something that I don’t agree with. If I’ve watched people react, if I’d been told I have to stand up for myself, if I’ve been told and watched people model for me, not really listening and understanding and being curious, those are the pieces of conditioning that I take in, “Oh, it must be the right way to do it. Oh, I see. I got, this is what it means to be a man, stand up and have my voice heard.”

That conditioning gets in the way of me being able to… For instance, get curious when somebody has a different opinion. If I’m conditioned to just protect, protect, protect myself, when someone says, “You know what I don’t agree with that, here’s how I see things.” If I’m conditioned to protect myself and what they said goes against what I’ve believed, then all of a sudden, I no longer have the opportunity for real dialogue. That curiosity that’s like, “Alright, what that person just said is triggering as all to me here, but I want this to be a real dialogue, I want to learn.” If I can pause and take a breath and ask them…”So, tell me more, how do you see the world and why is this the truth for you?” Then I’m back into the art of dialogue, and it’s not even about I’m trying to change their mind or they’re trying to change my mind. But the ability to arrest my conditioning of protect myself, be right, establish my boundaries, all those things.

Yes. I need to keep myself safe. But for most dialogues that we have, no one’s pointing a gun at my head. There’s no weapons being drawn. I’m not saying that doesn’t happen, but for most dialogues, that’s not what’s happening, and there’s probably plenty of air to breathe, and I’m probably going to have a meal that evening. So, those three things are not there. Then I’m just acting out of my conditioned, habitual response. My mom, who’s a therapist, she calls them CHIRPS – conditioned, habitual responses. If I’m falling back into those and I’m missing the opportunity to pause, breathe and say to the other person,”So, tell me, unpack this for me, how did you get to that position?” Or “Why is that so important to you?” And whether my mind changes or not, there’s more humanity that comes into the conversation. And that to me is not being a product of my conditioning. That to me, is bending it around so that I can be more in my heart, then more from my conditioning. Hope that makes sense.

Douglas: Absolutely. It makes a ton of sense. It reminds me of an exercise my friend Daniel Stillman does where you’re supposed to think about an issue that’s very triggering for you. And that you feel that if when this comes up and people have this opposite view that I can… That is very hurtful or very challenging. It might make you angry, or it might make you reactive. You write that down. And then, your partner is supposed to read that, and then basically come up with a script that takes that opposite point of view and you have to listen to them tell you this. I’ve even seen it done where… Then you have to role reverse and play that role of the person you dislike. You empathize them through acting and role play. All these things are really powerful, but man I can tell you that it can be challenging in the moment because sometimes it starts very-

Solomon: Totally.

Douglas: -it hits, it hits a part of you that’s soft and vulnerable and it can boomerang you to a place that’s not very… It’s not a place of control.

Solomon: That’s why I mentioned those three things about the weapons, and the air, and the food. Because it can almost seem like in those moments where you get back in a trigger, that it goes straight to that level of survival. “Oh my God, my life’s at stake here.” When in many situations, it isn’t. I’m not saying there aren’t those situations. Those are real, but I’m talking about most of the time when we’re in those kinds of dialogues or in those kinds of facilitative moments, those three things, those kind of core survival things. Those are not really real. So, if I have the capacity – and again, this is where I practice that thing around breathing, Tom Leahy, he gave us that team breath. That to me is one of those interventions that helps me back away from the physiology, from the amygdala hijack that can start to happen. If what I’m saying to myself is, “Hey, there’s plenty of air. Hey, I’m still going to have a meal. Hey, there’s no weapons in the space right now.” Let me calm down enough to listen at least.

Douglas: In situations that I’ve been in like that, it’s a physiological chemical reaction, your heart rate can spike instantaneously. You don’t even notice…There was no shit, you go to the gym and you start working out and your heart rate slowly rises based on the intensity. But those are situations where your physiology changes. Almost like in a micro nanosecond, and now you’re having to deal with this altered physical state and the content that’s still coming at you. Because the other person didn’t stop talking. You’re trying to process what’s going on plus deal with like the sweat that’s pouring out of your palms.

Solomon: Yes, exactly. Exactly. You nailed it.

Douglas: So regulating that is no small feet.

Solomon: This is why to me, one of the core facilitation practices, the core practices as a teacher is somatic awareness. It’s just like… Because the physiology, most of the time is going to win. If it gets away from me, those 1300 different neuro chemicals that are cascading through my system. That’s typically what’s going to win unless I’ve been practicing something else. Unless I’d been going for, “Oh, when I feel that starting to happen, it’s, Oh man, this is a signal. This is the moment. This is the alert for- oh yeah, breathe.” This is not the moment for, “Oh no, it’s happening.” This is like, “I can rewire.” I literally can rewire myself to like, “All right, I can feel it in my nerve- I can feel it happening.”

If I can get that aware, that present to feel like, “My under arms are sweating, my voice and my speaking is trembling, my fingers feel like they want to curl up.” That’s not a like, “Oh no, I’m going down the tubes.” That’s a, “All right. I’m feeling, I’m sensing again,” Take a breath. Let me come back to some coherence, some regulation. That practice is so available, but it does take practice. To me, those are the foundational practices of facilitation, and teaching is coming back. This is where that thing of people say, “Mindfulness, mindfulness, mindfulness.” But man, that’s a great tool. Because it’s giving me that sense of let come back to feeling in my body so I can come back to the zone that I want to be in.

Douglas: I want to unpack the mindfulness stuff a little bit too. Because I feel like that’s a word people throw around and don’t always know what it means. Some people equate it with eastern, religion, yogi practices, et cetera. I love the fact that you are talking a lot about somatic process, and I think that to me, there’s a real differentiator there between I’m going to go meditate versus, I’m going to go get in tune the signals that my body is– Because if you think about it, our body’s a giant antenna and people talk about… That’s one of the problems with virtual workshops is because, that antenna is not… For better or worse, it’s not picking things up.

So, if you’re the kind of person that gets butterflies in your stomach, before a big meeting. That probably doesn’t happen on Zoom, because you’re not picking up those signals in your body and reacting to them. If that antenna is turned off and you haven’t tuned it and you haven’t been paying attention to it. It’s like our appendix, it had a purpose at some point, but when we stopped using it now it’s there and doesn’t do anything.

Solomon: Our bodies are still there, so that’s good. We can tune into that. To unpack that mindfulness thing, like you were saying, it’s not about going off on some eastern belief system. The way I understand it, the way I’ve experienced it is that, the power of mindfulness is the opportunity to become aware and to do that awareness with kindness, to do it in such a way that I am inviting myself back to the zone. I like to call it being in the zone. And so, the practices of meditation, they do support that because, the more I bring my nervous system into some sense of coherence and regulation, the more I practice doing that on-goingly, when I get into that situation where the trigger happens, if my nervous system also has this other reference point for like, “Oh yeah, breathing and chilling out,” then I can access that easier.

It doesn’t mean I have to be doing those practices to be able to access that, but it does help. It’s not about having to now go have a yoga practice. However, yoga practice helps, because it helps me get in touch with my body and what I’m feeling. But one could do that in lots of other ways, people do it through running, people do it through climbing, people do it through hiking. Whatever helps me get my nervous system back into- when I say coherence, that’s that sense of fluidity between heart and brain and body, and it doesn’t feel jangly, it feels smooth. Whatever I do to get myself back to that, whatever I do to have that be my balanced state, my natural resting state, it really helps when I get into those tough situations.

Douglas: It also reminds me of the work that you’re doing around embodying things and making experiences kinetic. There’s an awesome video of you that got released. This episode will be aired in probably four weeks or more, but at the time of this recording, it was just released. It’s really incredible, I recommend people check it out because just using beach balls  with some very simple instructions sent people down a path, and then hitting the pause button and asking people how they… The path they naturally went down and what they didn’t do, and why they didn’t behave in certain ways. This notion of diving in physically to this game and how they approached it, and how they discussed approaching it, even thinking about something they were about to engage in physically and how they’re going to go about it and unpacking that. It’s all very fascinating.

I think it’s not only… I loved it, because often these types of things are… People think of them as punctuations or warmups or get the energy up, but it taught a very distinct lesson and had a bigger purpose and I think if we can think about how we bring physical elements into our workshops and our practice in ways that are meaningful, I think that’s a total Solomon move. I would just love to hear how you’re doing that work, and if you have any tips for folks. Any stuff you’re finding with Zoom that you might leave with them that’s going to think about and how they might bring it into their practice.

Solomon: It’s been such a journey doing this over Zoom because, as a more kinesthetically oriented facilitator, it was almost like, “What! You’re me off from my rooms and my people together doing this stuff.” Because as you say, that simple beach balls and such that because we are embodied beings, because we’re not just heads and brains, there’s a whole system that is part of our learning process and that whole system goes with us whenever we engage, whether that’s a design session, or a dialogue, or a lesson plan, this whole somatic system goes with us. How do I understand what I’m bringing in that somatic system? How do I reflect on it? How do I make choices about how I want to operate that? And how do I want that system to operate?

On Zoom, what I’ve been discovering is that, first of all, most people, we’ve been conditioned – coming back to that word again – we’ve been conditioned that whenever there’s a screen put in front of us, that we get into one posture and you can see me doing it now. That posture is sit, mouth slightly open, eyes a glaze, and stare somewhat comatose. We’ve been conditioned to do that. You can sit and watch TV, what’s the TV pose? It’s kind of like that. Here we are, we’re going to start doing all this work in front of the TV, and most of us have been conditioned that, that’s what we bring to it, to sit in that pose.

Well that particular posture is not conducive to active brain and body integration. I started right away, almost as soon as we went into quarantine, that’s like, “Oh my gosh, what can we do that still engages this level of body somatic awareness as we’re engaging with people over screens?” One of the core things that I discovered is, we got to do stuff that literally makes people stand up in the Zoom room, which can at first feel uncomfortable because we’ve been so conditioned to sit down in front of a screen. But I’ve discovered that getting people to stand up and do things, and then we can talk more specifically about the details, and I’m happy to send out a PDF of these activities that I’ve gathered that are meaningful activities and then, some of them not so meaningful, they’re just fun and they get the blood moving and the brain oxygen flow happening. But we get people up to do these activities, all of a sudden reconnects us in front of a screen with the other human beings because I’m being embodied. I’m not sitting in that posture of comatose. Does that make sense?

Douglas: 100%. I think the oxygen and blood flow stuff is very much in tune with the mindfulness and the… Either body antenna stuff that we were talking about earlier. I am a big fan of functional movement and I try to exercise as often as I can whether that be pilates or boxing or… And most recently got enrolled into FRC Functional Range Conditioning.

Solomon: Break that down for a moment because I’ve never heard that.

Douglas: Yeah, I will because I think it ties back to what we are talking about in a really fascinating way. Functional Range Conditioning was created by a chiropractor who was starting to realize that a lot of the standard adjustment techniques weren’t helping people fix themselves in the long-term.

A lot of times the problems weren’t structural there were neurological. So, our connection to our body was disturbed in some way and so, our brain literally shut down the pathways because we weren’t using it or because there was an injury and they were trying to protect it. So the brain was really clever about bypassing something, because we have… A lot of our smaller stabilizer muscles can be overpowered by some of our bigger muscles, a lot of our skull rotator cuff muscles can be controlled, some of those movements could be done with our tricep and our bicep, although it’s not as efficient or elegant.

This is a combination of isometric contractions, which means that I don’t have any load on it, but I’m going to contract the muscle with my control of that neurological pathway. I can hold my arm out and contract my bicep without actually lifting any weight.

Solomon: Yes.

Douglas: Also, you can put yourself into extreme positions, like as far as your hamstring can flex, and then you isometrically contract. What that’s doing is, it’s training the brain to control those muscles in those ranges, that are in your extreme ranges. What it does is, it reduces the distance between your flexibility and your mobility. We’re giving yourself more mobility, so you can move into your flexibility under control, versus someone pulling you, kind of taking out a strap and pulling yourself into a bigger stretch, you can actually move further into that. Which means you have more neurological control over your body and your muscles.

And so, as you were talking about becoming more aware of your body… It is the same stuff, it’s the same work it’s just, I’m doing it physically and tricking the brain. The other way is doing it mindfully and trying to tell the brain, like “Pick up on what the body is telling me.” It’s the yin to the yang, almost.

Solomon: That’s beautiful. You just named to me a whole other element of what mindfulness is, what you described there. It is that connection. It is that kind of practice. That’s fabulous. FRC, nice.

Douglas: It’s a really amazing system, and I am a big fan of it. The show notes, we’ll make sure there’s a link to the PDF of your somatic embodiment activities, and then we’ll also have a link to some FRC videos. I highly recommend people have a physical practice, active meditation, if you will, as well as other types of meditation. And then also, what are the tools that we can get people out of this comatosed Zoom state?

Solomon: I’m so with you on that. If you start your meeting off, you start your facilitating process off, with even… I imagine some of those FRC exercises, there’s a plethora, there’s an almost unlimited number of these exercises, these activities, if you want to call them that. They don’t even have to take very long, if you’re watching that agenda time. They can take 30 to 60 seconds, and yet the impact that they have is like you’re saying, “Gets us out of that state, gets me more engaged, gets me more feeling and sensing even across this Zoom medium.”

Douglas: So Solomon, it’s been a pleasure chatting with you today. And I know we could go on much, much longer, because it’s so much fun. But I want to take a moment and give you an opportunity to leave our listeners with some parting thoughts and maybe let them know how to find you or how to dig deeper into your work. Any final thoughts?

Solomon: Thank you. Well, you can find me at sourceconsultinggroup.com. That’s the easiest place to find me. And closing thoughts, I believe that we are in this intense experience right now to access the tools that we’ve been talking about, experimenting with, practicing, to create breakthrough. Meaning here it is, one of the potentially globally, most challenging times that we faced, and it’s facing that on so many levels, whether you’re talking about the pandemic, the political experience, the intensity around a race that’s happening right now. This is such that moment that we can bring our best selves through these practices. I’m not talking about perfection, but I’m talking about engaging the practices that we know are generative, that bring our best selves forward, especially as it pertains to having that deeper complex dialogues that are so necessary right now.

I believe that we’ve been given this opportunity to do so, to evolve ourselves as humanity, here we are. Let’s do this, let’s bring it into our bodies, let’s bring it out into the world. I feel, this is the moment we can look back and say, “Man, I used that time to do that.” I’m inviting us to be there, to look back on 2020 and as intense as it is, what breakthrough did we bring to it? I feel the platforms you’re bringing Douglas, and having conversations like this, are such a part of that. So, thank you.

Douglas: Solomon. It’s been a pleasure. Thanks for joining me on the show.

Solomon: Thank you so much for having me. Always a delight.

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